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GrumpyOlMan  
#1 Posted : Saturday, August 24, 2024 1:25:15 AM(UTC)
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Hello, I apologize for the long read...

I've been using Punch! products as a hobbyist for a lot of years, but never with much knowledge or skill. Now that I'm retired, I've picked up a part-time gig doing overflow drafting and design for a local Architect. I started out, years ago with the Architectural Series, "upgraded" from AS4000 to Home & Landscape Design Studio a couple of years ago, and have now upgraded from that to H&LD Architecture V24, with CWPro. Also bought Pat's eBook.

Frankly, I'm feeling a mite stupid right now. I have Pat's excellent manual, but I'm struggling to do things that seem like they should be easy. For instance, I've successfully created a stair object in CWP. I was even able to load it into a drawing. It looks really nice in 3D, but only shows as a blank rectangle in 2D. How do I add some sort of image to show what it is on the floor plan? More than that, how do I save the blasted thing to my user library for future use?

TBH, I use ProgCAD v24 for all my 2D design work for the architect. I got back into Punch! for its 3D features. They are MUCH simpler to use. It's a service we'd like to add for our clients. I've played with it in the past. Now it's serious...and I don't even know what questions to ask to learn how to use it well.

So, that's the background. Here's the query: Can someone please tell me, in idiot-proof, tiny, baby-steps, how to turn an image/object I just created in CWP into an accessible/loadable object in my user Library?
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#2 Posted : Saturday, August 24, 2024 3:51:57 AM(UTC)
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Hi there,

This is the issue: the elements developed using the Custom Workshop Pro PT are just 3D elements and they don't include 2D details and you can't include them in your libraries.

However, you can try this workaround: Using the Custom Workshop PT, export your object to 3DS or SKP format => Import one of these files to the main program => right click => open with the 3D Custom Workshop PT => Create and include the 2D profile (page 472 of my eBook) => save the object to your User Library => your new object will include (and show) the 2D + 3D elements.

Hope this helps.
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GrumpyOlMan  
#3 Posted : Saturday, August 24, 2024 5:24:39 AM(UTC)
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Hello Pat...

Please bear with me. I'm good up to here: Create and include the 2D profile (page 472 of my eBook) => save the object to your User Library => your new object will include (and show) the 2D + 3D elements.
One step at a time. Create a 2D profile? Page 472 tells me to select the "edit 2D profile option". Where do I find that option? I can't see it anywhere.
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#4 Posted : Saturday, August 24, 2024 4:06:09 PM(UTC)
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Hi there,

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Page 472 tells me to select the "edit 2D profile option". Where do I find that option? I can't see it anywhere.


This option is the last tab in the Grid View, as you can see in the image below.

2D profile.jpg (34kb) downloaded 1 time(s).

You see more options about the use of the 2D Profile Tool on page 492 of the eBook.

Hope this helps.

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GrumpyOlMan  
#5 Posted : Saturday, August 24, 2024 6:38:07 PM(UTC)
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Homer Simpson moment... Please DO read carefully and follow the directions! I was looking/working in CWPT Pro, not CWPT, as specified. DOH!!!
New problem. I exported as both 3DS and SP files. Neither will open correctly in CWPT. They appear to load, but there is no image.
Patricia G.  
#6 Posted : Saturday, August 24, 2024 7:16:03 PM(UTC)
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Homer Simpson moment... Please DO read carefully and follow the directions! I was looking/working in CWPT Pro, not CWPT, as specified. DOH!!!

Yes, they are two different PT.

Originally Posted by: GrumpyOlMan Go to Quoted Post
New problem. I exported as both 3DS and SP files. Neither will open correctly in CWPT. They appear to load, but there is no image.

Did you check different 2D / 3D views/ wireframe / textured, as well as the elevation?



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#7 Posted : Saturday, August 24, 2024 11:39:16 PM(UTC)
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Tried all methods to view, without success.
So, just for grins and giggles, I tried your suggestion in V22 Studio...and it worked! I was able to create a profile and save it. I wasn't able to edit it the way I wanted, but something is better than nothing. Net result? Problem solved, with a minor proviso.

I have several tickets pending with tech support, which, along with this issue, cause me to suspect that there's something wrong with my V24 install. FI, the issue which led to our little adventure is some kind of malfunction within the stair tool, accessed from the floor plan. It's what led me to create a section of stairway in CWPT Pro in the first place. When creating a stairway, on the floor plan, I am NOT offered the options to include/exclude or modify the handrails. See attached.

Stairs Problem 2.PNG (42kb) downloaded 1 time(s).

Anyway, thank you for your patient assistance. I learned a bunch from you.

Patricia G.  
#8 Posted : Sunday, August 25, 2024 2:39:35 AM(UTC)
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Hi there,

Select the stairs => click on the arrow => Railing => select and define the desired options.

Rail.jpg (24kb) downloaded 0 time(s).

Originally Posted by: GrumpyOlMan Go to Quoted Post
Anyway, thank you for your patient assistance. I learned a bunch from you.
Glad to be of help ThumpUp


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#9 Posted : Sunday, August 25, 2024 3:13:05 AM(UTC)
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Stair prob side-by-side.PNG (68kb) downloaded 2 time(s).
This is a side-by-side comparison of using the Stair Tool in v24 versus v21. To the left is v24 Architectural. To the right is v21 Studio.
Please note that in v24 there is no option to work on stair rails...and no arrow to click, that I can find. Am I looking in the wrong place?
What am I doing wrong? Huh
Patricia G.  
#10 Posted : Sunday, August 25, 2024 3:24:42 AM(UTC)
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these are 2 different versions => they work differently because they include different features.

Using V24 => select the stair tool => draw any staircase => select the stairs => set the options.

Please, read the entire Stairs section, starting on page 84 of the eBook.
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GrumpyOlMan  
#11 Posted : Sunday, August 25, 2024 5:55:21 AM(UTC)
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Hello again Miss Patricia,

I re-read the stairs section, pages 84-90, as you suggested...and I noticed something interesting.

Stair prob 3.PNG (36kb) downloaded 1 time(s). Stair prob 4.PNG (136kb) downloaded 2 time(s).

From what I see in the snip from page 89 of the manual, the 'Railing' option is normally accessed by selecting the 'Stair' tab at the top of the properties menu. Is that correct?
The trouble is, as you can see in the other snip, the 'Stair' tab in my properties menu is grayed out. Ergo, I have no way to access the 'Railing' options. How do I fix that?
Patricia G.  
#12 Posted : Sunday, August 25, 2024 2:56:16 PM(UTC)
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Hello,

Originally Posted by: GrumpyOlMan Go to Quoted Post
I have no way to access the 'Railing' options. How do I fix that?


As stated in my post above:

Originally Posted by: Patricia G. Go to Quoted Post
Select the stairs => click on the arrow => Railing => select and define the desired options.


You need to draw and select the stairs to activate the bar.



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GrumpyOlMan  
#13 Posted : Sunday, August 25, 2024 6:15:27 PM(UTC)
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So simple... You explained it clearly, but I insisted on missing it. "Select the stairs" you said.

Thankyou for sticking with me. You are DA BOSS!
Patricia G.  
#14 Posted : Sunday, August 25, 2024 6:34:11 PM(UTC)
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You are DA BOSS!
LOL Laugh



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